The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Navigation Menu. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 Learn how your comment data is processed. JavaScript is disabled. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Learn how your comment data is processed. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. It was built for the track and drifting. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. Is that a street car? And if so is there no way around it? this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. via Engine Swap Depot The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Learn how your comment data is processed. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. AMG would be nice and or a V8. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. I was just giving you a hard time. these are quite uncommon. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. Not needed anyhow. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. JavaScript is disabled. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. 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